Posted by jeremy on September 14, 2010 2:18 am.
Targets complaining about what is sometimes called gang stalking routinely report seemingly uneconomical harassment episodes, sometimes involving the participation of hundreds of people. I’ve already explained how individual harassers can literally be created out of thin air with mind control technology, but certain types of harassment episodes appear to involve significant expenditures of resources which can’t be made to happen just by whispering in someone's ear.
These episodes may be another kind of sleight-of-hand. To give you an idea of what I’m talking about, I’d like to deconstruct a handful of episodes that I’ve heard about, or witnessed.
Construction-themed harassment
A target may notice construction crews setting up nearby almost immediately after he moves in, no matter where he goes. The crews seem to be “on” to him, making particular noises whenever he’s going to the bathroom, or trying to make a phone call. This goes on for years.
Explanation
Every step of the way, the target’s choice of when and where to move to escape his harassment campaign was made by his handlers, unknown to him, thanks to totally undetectable mind control. Over and over again, the handlers would herd the target to a location where they knew construction was scheduled in the near future.
The well-timed sounds were either in the target’s head, or created by construction workers being subliminally influenced.
Note that if the construction workers get the impression that the target is angry at them “for no reason” and trying to harass them by calling the police, they may start up with a real harassment campaign, not the product of mind control.
Media mirroring
I’ve gone into this in more detail elsewhere on this site, but I can sum it up with a classic (and creepy) example: a target says an unusual phrase and a character on TV immediately repeats it, word for word. This sort of thing happens to some targets on a regular basis.
Explanation
The target’s handler knows in advance what the TV character is going to be saying (which is telling), and uses electronic mind control to make the target say it first.
Funeral procession threats
Every time a target moves out of an apartment, as he’s leaving the building with his first moving box, a VFW funeral procession passes by. Two messages are being sent: “it was a mistake to move out; you’re going to die soon” and “the military is after you”.
Explanation
- The target was hounded into moving out on a particular date.
- A veteran’s heart was remotely stopped a few days beforehand.
- The target was subliminally manipulated into walking onto the street at the right time.
- The leader of the procession was manipulated into driving by at the same time.
There were as few as three players: the target, the funeral procession’s leader, and the person in the coffin; all of whom had mind control technology used on them.
This is a great example to talk about, because I’m sure that veterans will not be thrilled to learn the authorities think it’s okay to murder their buddies to threaten a total stranger.
Covert messages in newspaper articles and other publications
You keep finding references to personal information (like your birthdate), or numbers/phrases of significance to you, in books or printed articles that you look up and read. The occurrences are far too frequent to be chance.
You’ve previously experienced other kinds of meddling in which messages clearly are placed there just for you, such as in web pages that you read, so you draw the desired conclusion: the messages in printed publications were also arranged just for you.
Explanation
You aren’t nearly as much in control of your actions as you think you are. Your conscious mind is a witness, and the rest of your self is like a character in a video game to your handlers. They know which articles/publications have the significant messages, and influence you into reading them. Your conscious mind witnesses the far-too-frequent coincidences that you seemed to discover of your own accord, and concludes the messages must have been put there just for you.
Street-level psychological warfare can be used to reinforce the significance of coincidences you notice, sending the message “Yes, we put that there.” It’s just more tough talk from people with access to mind control technology.
By the way, this is a very effective tactic because of the way it mimics the symptoms of schizophrenia.
Conclusion
The perpetrators behind high-tech harassment by proxy campaigns can make it look like they’re entirely responsible for manpower-intensive harassment or major events, or they can assign blame to others, in a highly misleading way. What makes this deception possible is foreknowledge of significant events in the target’s vicinity, plus electronic mind control; not to mention, the target’s ignorance of these capabilities.
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Cathy “Every time a target moves out of an apartment, as he’s leaving the building with his first moving box, a VFW funeral procession passes by.”
Jeremy, I’m not so sure that the coordination of all of this is feasible in the way that you hypothesize, unless there’s only one military graveyard that all the vets go to in the city or county in which the TI lives. Many veterans I personally know (my dad) get to choose a family plot in the cemetery of their choosing. In my town there’s a cemetery heading in about 6 different directions.
“The leader of the procession was manipulated into driving by at the same time.”
I know when I’m moving, it’s hard to say at what points during the day I’m going to appear with a box to the car, or I’m stuck inside looking for something or sorting and cleaning. That would entail funeral goers being held up at the ceremony by some lengthy tribute, only to finally get to the cars, then, if the timing is still off, the procession leader and police escorts could cause a mighty train wreck if they suddenly slowed down the procession, to coordinate the timing with the TI’s movements. Plus, a real funeral procession has only 1 chance to make the scene for the TI.
The occult network has been reported by many victims of ritual abuse (Kathleen Sullivan and the Franklin Coverup childrento, either own, or have access to mortuaries, for ritual events, and/or a place to get rid of their sacrificial victims. still makes more sense to have a ‘fake’ funeral procession, that can possibly make a drive-by a second time, in a few minutes. IMHO it seems that it would make a ‘fun’ afternoon of occult street theatre, put on by members of your local funeral home, satanists and police officers that are in the know.
Similarly, are the EMT vehicles that seem to appear out of nowhere, when a TI moves about. They are perfect recruits for the stalking job, because they have free time between emergency calls (I see them all the time taking their breaks in parked EMT trucks in our city’s parks.
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jeremy I’m not so sure that the coordination of all of this is feasible in the way that you hypothesize, unless there’s only one military graveyard that all the vets go to in the city or county in which the TI lives. Many veterans I personally know (my dad) get to choose a family plot in the cemetery of their choosing.
I’m just guessing about the case I’m aware of, but the choice may have been made for the vet’s next of kin via electronic mind control- or maybe the choice was already known. And the person who is getting this particular flavor of harassment may have been manipulated into choosing an apartment that virtually any funeral procession would pass by. The episode I witnessed was at an apartment right off the main drag.
September 14, 2010 12:30:28 PM
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batvette Jeremy, I’m not so sure that the coordination of all of this is feasible in the way that you hypothesize
I tend to agree, and would take it a step further and posit, what are the chances a funeral procession was happening that day and an person saw it and read wayyyyy too much into it?
At what point do we get so wrapped up in this that every person who is in front of us in the way of where we wish to be, is a perp sent by the program? Or that every mundane event like funeral processions, were staged just for us and our benefit? People die every day, can we assume one of them might cross our path on the way to the ground?
I’m worried we’re only going to **** ourselves like this, it feeds itself, and the program need only suggest to people that swarms of perps could be dispatched to disrupt their day and we would do the rest for them.
I have some days when it seems every store I go to has some inconsiderate dolt standing in the aisle I want to go down, or right in front of the freezer door I want to open to grab something. I get chills just at having to be so damn close to them, and it’s as if they were sent just to piss me off.
Why should I do the program’s work for them and assume they aren’t just inconsiderate dolts?September 14, 2010 04:44:43 PM
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jeremy Sure, you can’t read much into one event. The person I was talking about had complained about this sort of thing happening in synchrony with a move before. Once is a coincidence. A half dozen times… probably not.
It’s very important to be able to explain why an event is significant other than, “I felt threatened/harassed” or “they seemed to be threatening me”. Repetition or predictive power says a lot. And always you have to keep in the back of your mind that the people going after you like to “take credit” (hence the article title) for everything happening in your environment.
And ultimately, what does all this street theater mean? Even if the episodes I described above were arranged, it’s just more communications from them. It’s only as significant as you allow it to be.
I think it’s interesting to dissect magic tricks like the episodes above, and it seems that once you understand the tricks, the magicians pack up and leave town.
September 14, 2010 04:57:30 PM
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anon Why should I do the program’s work for them and assume they aren’t just inconsiderate dolts?
Exactly. We’re on the same page with this.
Where I’m at w/potential staging stuff? Simple -
Notice, but ignore.Fun, huh?
September 14, 2010 06:02:02 PM
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batvette One of the arguments used by deniers is that paranoid people are looking at mundane, everyday occurances and insisting that they add up to a grand conspiracy against them. Some accounts by TI’s are obviously that, (I often cite the example of a person in Canada who insists up to a thousand cars are parked all along his route he walks in the city, in a certain order-like every fourth one is blue, because they are conditioning him to the color blue today- I dare anyone to defend such silliness) others we can’t be too sure of and it’s not for me to judge or discredit this just because I am not experiencing what they are.
I think some of the events others describe as street theatre is also sometimes just plain social awkwardness. As you allude to, an event that could be perceived as this is something to laugh off, and I think that is very healthy and probably the best advice for anyone whether it’s really the program or their own anxieties as the cause.
You have to think, “what would the program acomplish by having a funeral procession drive by my street… if I didn’t notice or care…”? How about not one damn thing?Oh, BTW, this link you left in another article?
Outstanding. Still not much we can use for proof, but the way he addresses the issues is undeniably sound. Thanks for leaving that.
John “still not sure what the hell’s going on!” in San Diego
September 14, 2010 09:54:10 PM
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batvette Re: The above link- found someone took that to a physics forum, and they think they debunked it:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=28107&st=0
the crowd there is a level or so above me (at least some of them) but I say they failed. Look at all the personal abuse they heaped on him, right off the start. Those aren’t scientists.
John in San Diego
September 14, 2010 10:27:42 PM
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Targeted I’ve been a victim of the instances you mentioned but in my case the construction workers have been around most of my life as a Target and they are active aggressive participants of executing the harassment skit. For example, whenever I walk out they start a chain saw, drill, or any construction tool with such violence to show me how they’re planning to kill me. They also walk by flashing 2X4s because these are commonly used to plunge victims. The media mirroring in my case is also different because they repeat certain phrases that regular people don’t use but I’ve used all my life. Then, they start to use them in the media. Another example, I used to order food that apparently my perps weren’t familiar with and for which the perps labeled me as strange because they never traveled. I guess when the perps learned these foods are normal foods eaten at touristic places, then, they showed them at shows like Saturday Night Life. About the funerals, I have an extensive footage of the funeral processions and they have been real threats the perps followed through on. Prior to the misterious deaths of perfectly healthy relatives, I’ve encounter funeral processions as I enter a hwy, with such precision as if they were watching me on live tv. This skit is particulary startling when they have been followed by the questionable deaths of loved ones. The perps also send grave digging excavators as a threat. Again, the precision is shocking except that 3 weeks ago I saw how they use these people to show up where I’m driving by. I was coming back home when I started to get cut off and/or held in traffic by several perp cars that showed up out of nowhere. When I was about to get out of that street, I saw one of these humongous grave digging excavator making a scary U Turn obviously rushing to catch up with my car before I left the area. That was a dangerous stunt because the machine was going in the opposite direction and went on top of the pedestrian’s area just to meet me as requested. I conclude there’s many low level people involved in the funeral skits including limo drivers, funeral homes workers, grave diggers, etc. That’s the people that are cheap to recruit to coordinate such a grotesque harassment.
September 14, 2010 02:59:07 PM-
jeremy A lot of what you’re talking about seems kind of subjective, but as for actions in perfect synchrony with your leaving the building… that’s the textbook example which is widely misinterpreted as meaning that the person in synchrony with the TI is getting messages from a “team of perps” using “through the wall surveillance” and “waiting for you to leave the house”.
A simpler, less manpower-intensive explanation involves the use of mind control technology. You have to consider the possibility that you were manipulated to leave the building at the same time the other person was being manipulated into starting the noisy equipment. Imagine two handlers sitting next to each other, moving you two around like characters in a video game.
Seems like many targets don’t want to believe how easily and undetectably they are manipulated using subliminals, though.
September 14, 2010 05:41:00 PM
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Ann Hi Jeremy,
First- thanks for your site and your efforts. Your comments and articles have been very helpful for me in managing the largeness of the craziness I deal with on a daily basis.
I must say though, as I have in previous postings, that sometimes big, overt OS really is just that.
To use your term “brute force”, I have been able to piece together some of what has been done to my life, (for me, it began in 2008). I can say with certainty that my particular mix of covert / overt is heavy on the overt side. Over a period of many months I was able to understand more completely the mechanisms which were more fully put into place after 9/11- the mechanisms which allowed the suspension of any semblance of Constitutional rights. (Though of course I now understand what has been done [at least in part] to my fellow citizens via MKUltra and other monstrosities for many many years.)
My daily movements and travels are regular, and are not subject to much deviation. The swarming of vehicles and antics of “foot soldiers” are overt. What I experience daily really does seem to reflect enormous overt abuse which seems most akin to Stasi methods.
All this being said, I have been thinking for many months that there are methods to amplify the effects of the “program”, as you have described.
But, in the main, my Big Show is what you might say is happening in the “real” world. There is a show being put on for sure.
Reasons?
Because someone (or groups) can do it;
turned into making a ti into a liability;
turned into damage control.September 15, 2010 08:12:03 PM-
jeremy Yeah, predictability makes the harassment campaigns much easier for them, that’s for sure. It would be interesting to see what happened in your case if you made a few key decisions every day based on dice rolls - like when to leave (0-60 minutes early), when/where to go to shop, and so on - for a few weeks.
September 15, 2010 08:28:32 PM
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Ann While my activities and daily travels are somewhat predictable, my schedule does vary according to some factors. So, e.g.,some differences in time I leave, specific route (though, sameness across several different routes). The show is ready no matter what, and is ready on every city block I travel on by foot or car. What is extremely clear is swarming / crowding by numbers of vehicles, people, etc. etc. etc. The Show involves variations on the themes which I’ve described before, as well as others who report large os.
Using my observations, common sense, and awareness of certain programs put into place after 9/11, my educated theory is that false reports to the “right” source(s) set off: stalking by citizen watch type people, businesses (Infraguard, utility companies now used in national security programs, First responders like fire dept. and ems used in national security programs, etc.)
While I am aware of what is obvious in my surroundings, I think I’m actually doing an excellent job of going about my activities, fairly close to how I typically would have. So - conciously focusing on my own agenda, and letting most of the stuff roll away from me (psychologically, spiritually). While I do think amplification of various types is used, but the os is as I’ve described.September 16, 2010 07:59:28 AM
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jeremy Yeah, I don’t want to sound like I’m denying your experiences. The thing is, at one point in 2006 the cops were involved in my case, and if someone had told me at that point, “Homeland security, fusion centers, etc etc” I would’ve bought it. And if someone had told me “Vigilante gangs” before 2008, I would’ve bought that too. So I think it takes a while to figure things out. I’m lucky in that I had the freedom to try lots of different things to ‘shake’ them.
One thing you have to consider, not that I’m saying there isn’t O/S, but when you say you have some freedom to choose what you do during the day, you might not have nearly as much freedom as you think you do. That’s one of their magic tricks - letting you think you have freedom, when in fact you don’t, so that when obvious actors show up where-ever you go, it seems all the more intimidating. Subliminal influences can cause you to make decisions which you think are your own ideas. There may be other kinds of manipulation in your environment to force you down a primrose path which is lined with EMT’s, firemen, policemen, etc.
I don’t know the particulars of what’s happening around you, but the above is something to think about.
I’m covering the EMC angle heavily right now, because the subliminals have been made obvious to me recently and I can see how the subliminals amplify these campaigns, but I’ll be getting back on the corruption issue eventually.
September 16, 2010 10:19:55 AM
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batvette Like the rest of us, Jeremy, your perceptions over a few years of being targeted have evolved concerning who may be responsible, what their purposes and goals are and all that- but stop and think, has hard factual data been part of this? Or has it merely been exposure to the flood of beliefs of others, ranging from common sense (Mark Rich, Eleanor White etc.)to the silly (too many to single one out but I will, Scrivener) which you are smart enough to reject but may have filtered down to you through others?
I think the point I am making is that the internet has become a huge resource of TI material, but almost none of it can be called “factual”, and what would normally be considered in better days reliable- say the six o’clock news- is as likely to be disinfo as anything.
We have yet to find a single document of the government outlining this as policy, or anything resembling the (currently) believed technology employed here, and while I can’t assume we ever will, that is probably the standard to meet before any action is taken to stop it.
Otherwise as you saw at wikipedia we are a belief system to mock like ouija boards and tarot cards.
So in summary I’m just saying ask yourself how you know what you know. You needn’t explain yourself for my benefit, just some food for thought.September 16, 2010 03:12:29 PM
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BATVETTE:
Only one explanation necessary: COMMON SENSE! Logical, non-paranoia-induced thinking leads to SENSIBLE CONCLUSIONS, which in turn lead to practicle thought processes on dealing with your personal situation, which hopefully leads you to the right path to freedom. You’re smart, think it through and FIGURE IT OUT. GOOD LUCK, SEMPER FI, JonSeptember 26, 2010 03:07:09 PM
[W]henever the Legislators endeavour to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience." 
OK…Jeremy, I’m evolving day by day. Therefore, if any of my new found understanding and knowledge contradicts previous statements, my apologies. It’s just that the first 4 months of deprogramming (aka group stalking or cult brainwashing) was truly traumatic.
I still get the funeral procession in my subdivision where I live. However, when I was in NYC, I got folks walking by foot entering the building as I left. This part is consistent. Everytime I dismiss this as coincidence, someone will abruptly blow their horn for no reason or I will observe the same cars/folks essentially doing circles. This is a mind game.
I have said this before, this focus on technology and weapons needs to be put on the back-burner. Do I think it exists, maybe. However, in my struggle to stay in reality given my whole belief system and support system being torn apart over the last 7 months, I must abandon the abstract. For longer than I can remember, I have been enveloped by members of a cult….plain and simple. Some may have been hate oriented, power oriented as in mobbing at work, others religious oriented, others sadistically oriented and the list goes on in terms of organized harassment and criminal racketeering.
My reality is this, my mail has gone missing for weeks with no reason only to be put back into my mailbox when complaining to the post office within my zipcode. My car has been vandalized at total of four times–two of which nothing was stolen. My two homes have a combined total of six major break-ins and three or four minor incidences requiring repair. I have been threatened via email and publicly. In public, mobs of people passed me by spouting death threats as well as been spouting racial and homophobic epithets. Some actually said to me directly that I was disgusting, an addict, commented on my genitalia, etc. NONE of this I ever noticed before having certain family members start the process actively to fuel my paranoia in light of all of my traumas. This is why I refer to my experience as a possible deprogramming which in itself is still ethically horrible. Sure, it may give packs of mobsters a conscience to think they are helping me, but make no mistake, I know this is to destroy.
There is no identifiable consistent type of person involved. Somehow, someway folks act as if these events are normal or as if they know details of my life I have not communicated. As my family member pleaded with me one time after the public harassment started “Please, just go to church for two weeks and it will stop.” Really, someone sending death threats stops with going to church? I thought “Oh, this harassment must be religious oriented.” Then, as I declined the sexual advances of a stranger–a dirty ole’ man, of Italian descent even he spouted “please contact your mother” in light of my not communicating with family. So, I had to wonder “Is this a phrase folks randomly say to people they don’t know when they feel rejected”? Furthermore, to let me know how far reaching it was, in a conversation with my best friend who is gay and African American, he referenced a psychiatrist and mortgages (two themes used in my harassment unique to current events of my life) within the first minute of our phone call with no provocation from me. So I thought, OK I don’t know what to expect from people anymore. They all seem to know private details of my life or bring up the most bizarre coincidental themes. Heck, it could be collective consciousness, but I know ignoring the obvious would be just as bad as ignoring reality of folks’ behavior regarding overt tactics used against me.
The horrible treatment from family, friends and co-workers sometimes can be eased by thinking they are mind-controlled, but at the end of the day, we have to face reality that friends are not our friends, we may have been in an environment of ambient abuse, family members have their own agendas and co-workers can be less than professional and horribly unfair when it comes to competition. And unfortunately, many T.I.s have to start facing the reality that underlying criminal racketeering or brainwashing that is cult based is at the root of our individual harassment campaigns. At the end of the day, we cannot prove a damn thing relative to weaponry. However, I find it hard to believe that many of the tactics of organized crime do not have the motive of money or power (in the form of group ideology) at the core of it’s orchestration.
Therefore, each TI situation will be different. However, the networks of folks are there. It’s just that criminals are using these networks for personal gain or propagating their own ideologues onto the masses by force. Again, the networks are there–call them agents, call them civilian spies, call them safety personnel participating in an extrajudicial punishment, call them religious zealots or community watch power mongers, but they are operating above the law and tearing lives apart based on self interests resulting in crimes for many too horrible to mention. Social experimentation and testing as well as securing the nation against terror all have allotments within the US Budget primarily under DoD spending and HUD/Faith-based initiatives (see breakdown: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/budget_gs.php ).
Until TIs start getting out a more palatable simpler message to the general public other than weapons of mind control, until we start getting involved as a group in community activism and hounding congressmen to account for the funding of nontransparent activities that support our torture, we will keep going in circles.
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I have repeatedly said, throughout my site, that mind control does not explain everything. There are certain kinds of things that people can’t be made to do just because someone’s whispering in their ear.
Take a look around at how long some people have been aware that they are targeted, and have been looking for solid evidence of “stalking networks”, and haven’t gotten anywhere with it. You can’t prove a damn thing relative to your perception that there are stalking networks. You are basing your investigations on your perceptions, which are controlled by your abusers.
You haven’t seen any evidence that these people are receiving instructions except for suggestive conversations which might be about you or might be about something totally different. People like you have been looking for the “perp communication infrastructure” for decades. None of you have found it. Not a single one. Think about that… hundreds or thousands of victims… tens or hundreds of thousands of abusers… yet you haven’t found anything in all those years.
Whereas the people getting obvious mind control abuse have gotten a good look at the communication infrastructure. They’ve experienced it directly. They have a higher level of understanding than the ones who aren’t.
I think TI’s need to focus on what the truth is, rather than what’s palatable.
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You said, You haven’t seen any evidence that these people are receiving instructions except for suggestive conversations which might be about you or might be about something totally different.
–I have seen the odd way someone communicates a message to the person interacting with me. I have mentioned this time and time again. No I don’t observe all people who have harassed me doing it, but dude it’s like it’s something they read in their head or hear in their head. I haven’t figured it out. Maybe the person interacting with me was very new at it because I swear this guy would say things like he was reading it from a script. He would literally struggle to pronounce some of the words either because he wasn’t hearing or reading it fast enough. He also would have to move his neck or pop his ears (some bizarre action) just to continue the conversation. If I asked him to expand on something he mentioned, he would be totally thrown off and either take a minute to remember or change the subject. This is not mind control, this is just a small wireless device. Heck, it could be an implant. Also, I observed what appeared to be two perps communicating with each other for an extended period of time without saying a word in front of me. They were just looking at each other, smiling and their eyes were moving rapidly back and forth. Yeah yeah, this could have been something else, but I have seen enough people communicating non-verbally in the natural sense to know this was something other than non-verbal from a natural perspective.
You said, I think TI’s need to focus on what the truth is, rather than what’s palatable.
–What is the truth Jeremy? We will NEVER be able to get the truth continuously posing questions to ourselves that will never be answered. Some of us are harassed in a gut-wrenching way on a daily basis. This is not mind control weaponry at the heart of this. This is a network of individuals who are privy to technology not available on the market that MAINLY enables remote communication not visible to others.
–The truth to me is looking at the oven 1-5 seconds before the timer goes off every single time unless i’m reading something or engaged in television. It means going to the door every single time before there is a knock. It means being fixated with a number and looking at the clock EVERY single time the clock turns to that time. It also means that if I’m stressed or depressed for an extended period of time, a natural disaster occurs consistently. Is the truth that I’m psychic? No, it’s just plain ole’ coincidence. Mobbing can be highly coordinated as evidenced by flash mobs you see on youtube all the time. Highly sophisticated weaponry that is known (i.e. ADS used by the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Dept) can be referenced is the truth. This other abstract stuff, we are reaching for the birds. By the way, to test out my psychic abilities, I am getting ready to buy a lottery ticket. I suggest you do the same :)
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Apply your standards to your own case. The mere existence of a cult somewhere, or a Red squad somewhere, does not mean this is what’s happening in your case. You merely suppose that it is. You merely suppose that people around you are using communications technology that is not available to the public.
You want your suppositions to be accepted - prove them.
Remember: hundreds or thousands of TI’s; thousands or tens of thousands of man-years spent searching for perpetrator networks; hundreds of thousands or millions of alleged perpetrators - no successes. Not one.
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Wait…so Jeremy, you are telling me that you don’t believe in a civilian spy network or civilian police workers? I’m not sure what you are looking for–a title on these groups called “Perp central”? lol.
Jeremy, I so respect your logic and knowledge, so never take my comments as more than constructive criticism or my playing devil’s advocate to assist myself in reasoning through this crap.
However, again, there ARE networks. Did you think in Nazi Germany the Jews were able to identify this “network” before many of them were sold out or identified by civilian spies? Think about the homosexuals that were killed during this period. You think they were all walking around in a pink tutu or lavender skirt announcing their homosexuality? (I can make this joke since I’m gay)? No, it was civilian spies ratting people out. There were probably many non-jews and non gays who were executed simply because they were on a revenge list.
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Likewise. I’m attacking ideas, not the people who hold them.
Look at what’s come out already, like the harassment of activists in Pennsylvania paid for with DHS money. That kind of stuff is not news, and revelations like that come out all the time. There’s only a small number of people involved, yet they weren’t able to keep it hidden.
The hundreds of thousands of people you imagine to be involved in cases like yours and mine - who are they working for? Who is giving them orders? Why hasn’t a single person stepped forward in all these decades? How are they keeping all those people quiet?
Those were pre-Internet times. The awareness of Stasi-like activity is amazingly high in the present day. But even many Alex Jones types think the TI’s are crazy.
The Nazi and Stasi tactics seem like old hat to us, but in their time they were something new - the subversion of democratic republics (something also relatively new) by institutions that appeared beneficial. The Germans’ belief systems about their politics and their society were exploited, and used against them to build dictatorships.
Today, lots of people know about Stasi-like activities. They’re on guard. They have belief systems about what a dictatorship looks like, and those belief systems are being exploited using completely new tactics (some of which we’re experiencing).
This is something new. Something really new, that’s not in the history books. It may look like the history books, but it’s not the same. Our beliefs about what persecution looks like are being used against us.
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Don’t forget to play the lottery….here are some random numbers …we can test out my psychic ability:
4, 6, 13, 16, 39 –-8
As a TI, think about this over and over–at least this is what I did when I won the lottery the first time it came to my state..LOL.
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These tactics go back to ancient times. The Romans had civilian spies all over the known world, and whoever was in charge had intimate details about anyone they considered important, even the emperor. Public executions of over 30,000 men, women, children and infants were performed in Nazi Germany before the first concentration camp was operating. Our Virtual “Book Burning” has begun. Black Sambo went out of print 30+ years ago; Mark Twain is being “censored”. Animal Farm is no longer required reading. Welcome to the wonderful world of E-Books. Make No Mistake, those E-Books will not be verbatim reproductions of print; not every book will be available electronically. The printing presses will be a thing of the past, and that will be a shame.
“Past performance is no guarantee of future results.”
If we were to reason about what’s happening today by only relying on what we know has happened in the past, we would have to conclude, for example, that the Internet doesn’t exist.
Is there any mention of the Internet in Roman times?
There’s a technological component to this that’s very new. That technological component suggests (and so do other aspects of organized harassment, discussed today) that you’re up against something qualitatively different.
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Sorry about that, I meant the basis of our harassment (no need to print this, Jeremy - I’m all over the place today)
I definately think there is a stalking network, that runs state to state. The perps are a huge group, that comes from local gangs, drug addicts that do it for a hit of their drug of choice, and then the neighborhood watch organizations. The perps do not know who they are working for, so that is why there is a disconect with the heirarchy. Now when you get to the top,and you are talking cointelpro tactics, with an unlimited budget, and technology, energy weapons, and implants, that takes you to a conspiracy theory of massive porportions. Just tired of the testing!
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You said, “The hundreds of thousands of people you imagine to be involved in cases like yours and mine - who are they working for? Who is giving them orders? Why hasn’t a single person stepped forward in all these decades? How are they keeping all those people quiet?”
–That is my point. First, do YOU personally encounter HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people AT ONCE “perping” you given all of your experiences? Even you wrote about the “big show.”
Second, who says all of these folks are reporting to the same person?
Third, for people like me, I am a victim of a smear campaign probably invoked by people involved in a criminal racket.
Fourth, you forget the new nature of criminal racketeering and spying. There is a world of technology and a cult based society that did not exist to this degree during Nazi Germany. You keep mentioning the secret getting out like it’s one leader, one cult, one victim, one strategy, one tactic used for all. These are LOOSELY networked entities. Criminal racketeering works SO well because generally crimes ARE NOT committed. As much as happened to me, I can tell the police RIGHT NOW, I have had over six major breakins, close friends killed or mysteriously dying of suicide, car/home vandalism no theft, two homes unable to sell when they are priced 50 to 60% lower than the same homes up for sale on the block and you think I have a secret that is “out”? No, that is how well orchestrated the design of this harassment is. Even if I am shot tomorrow, no one will stand up and say “Err…he complained of death threats, he was constantly robbed, he had an unusual number of failed home sell contracts, his mortgage company had his loans insured, etc. The list goes on. Jeremy, the things happening to us are done in a way that are not linked. ANYONE revealing the ”secret“ is dismissed as insane. BUT, if I get shot, it will be reported I was shot–not that I was a TI who suffered greatly by harassers before my death. At most, the press will say ”he was bullied because he was homosexual" and end of story.
Again, there is a snowball effect. My theory is that for me, since I hear lies about being my being a dog abuser/killer, pedophile, liar, disgusting, etc. different groups are made active to assist in harassing a TI. Even you talk about being surveilled for a long time. Let me give you an example. When I vary my routine, I don’t get the same harassment. I went to a club with the most ghetto, gayest people on Saturday (and loved it). I wasn’t bumped into outside of normal club crowdedness. I didn’t have people taking a high interest in me. I was a bit out of place and honestly that is why I enjoyed it. But my enjoyment came from knowing if there was mind control, the same thing would have followed me there. I have a “funeral procession” if you will EVERY single time I leave my house’s subdivision. It’s anywhere between 5 to 20 cars in a single line driving slowly. However, it’s not how it was in the beginning. Before, I had CROWDS following me in different locations. It was horrific. I still have the stupid perp once in a while make a stupid noise or comment BUT their numbers are VERY slim. If you are in NYC, DC, I guarantee you a TI’s experience is horrible compared to any other place in the US besides Texas…lol. Yeah yeah, I still have issues, but NOTHING compared to NYC. No knocking on the walls all times a day, no phones ringing all times a day, no being cut off every damn place I go or followed. I don’t feel that at all here in NC compared to the way I did. That is why I say this is not weaponry at least from a satellite perspective. The reason why Alex Jones thinks TIs are crazy is because some of the sh1t sounds crazy. SOME TIs are mentally ill. Just like SOME blacks are criminals. Just like SOME white men are serial killers..The list of stereotypes go on, but TIs should not embrace the objects that make them seem stereotypically insane.
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Nope. But over time I’ve seen ‘covert aggression’ from hundreds (at least) - probably well over a thousand. Multiply that by the number of TI’s reporting organized harassment, and you get hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who have been involved in these things. That’s way too many people to buy off or otherwise silence; that’s way too many people to get involved in smear campaigns without the word getting back to the TI eventually.
If it were smear campaigns involved, then for every one person I saw while running an errand expressing hostility towards me, there would have to be dozens more whom I didn’t happen to run into. What you’re seeing may look like a smear campaign, but is it, really? Why doesn’t the word ever get back to you?
How many people have called you these things to your face? Have you heard any specific accusations? Or are you just getting subtle hints that people believe these things about you?
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Hi jonjay
I understand what your saying about others thinking that Ti`s are crazy, but saying that Ti’s shouldn’t` “embrace the objects….etc is simplistic. Better to understand that they are also tactics used by perts ..(Yes they have the technology).. then to brush them under the carpet. It is real, it does happen and to choose which abuse you should omit, undermines the experience that Ti`s like me have suffered.
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You really need to take this personal stuff to the forum, where it’s only displayed to logged in users (most members of the GP won’t ever bother creating an account here; and stuff that’s hidden on the forum won’t show up in search engines).
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You are right Jeremy. If you want, you can reject my post. I just figure I need it on record somewhere what I know. It’s so much that I figure the more scattered information, the better :) However, I don’t proof read and I literally say what I think.
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I stopped being a *joiner* of forums long ago after the coordinated cyberstalking became more than apparent. I no longer *volunteer* for abuse. If I post, it is for all to see or I don’t post at all. And I never respond to attacks in kind, but with reasonable commentary.
And jonjay, don’t assume that you are being slandered without proof. I have found that it is a waste of our time and a misdirection of focus, of course what is intended by these psychological games. *They* want you to experience a never-ending guessing game that has no reasonable answers.
Don’t play their games.
That’s a reasonable approach.
One thing I want to make clear to anyone trying to join my forums or any other forums for “privacy”: it only protects against casual browsing by the GP - and their ridicule. It doesn’t prevent a determined adversary from getting in. The very worst adversary will, of course, be very determined.
If people on this site ever sue the responsible parties or get into legal trouble, lawyers are likely to come sniffing around here.
A user suggested that I not include private messages on the site for purposes of transparency - I’m actually looking at things in terms of privacy (or the illusion of such) and wondering, “Gee, do I really want to attract lawyers trying to get at peoples’ private messages…”
The forum is just to help me keep clutter off the main site; it doesn’t stop “the bad guys” from getting at the info you volunteer.
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I have noticed on other sites, I have posted a comment, and someone reply’s with something derogatory, which is not true, to give an entirely different perception. Then on one site people are suspicious of one another,and ugly if they do not all agree, and there is no moderator. Perps will naturaly gravitate to these sites, but if we respond, we loose our freedom of speach. Privacy is an illusion,when you post, be prepared to defend your statement, knowing it is the truth.
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Although I think this is started and encouraged by a higher echelon, I think this is coordinated by ordinary people who ARE aware of the surveillance and mind control and a larger majority who think they are just harassing a freak. People would/do come forward, but where are they going to go, who are they going to tell? An example would be North Country where male miners were trying to bully the women out and no one stood up, or the Nazi death camps “no one” knew about.
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It’s probably going to take a large group before people will feel safe enough to support us openly. We can try to get laws passed, there alraedy seems to be some concern about these weapons in Europe and the United Nations.
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